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The Lý Dynasty Wasn’t Confucian. . . Really??!!

In the English-language scholarship on Vietnamese history, the Lu00fd Dynasty (1009-1225), the first major Vietnamese dynasty, is usually presented as not being influenced by Confucian ideas and institutions. Instead, historians have argued that it was u201cprimarily Buddhist.u201d

When I look at the sources for that time period, I find it extremely difficult to agree with that viewpoint.

Letu2019s take a look at some of the earliest information about the Lu00fd Dynasty, and in particular, letu2019s look at the information about the construction in 1010 AD of a new capital, Thu0103ng Long, at what is now Hanoi.

This was where the Tang Dynastyu2019s main administrative center had been. Therefore, there were already buildings and a city wall there, however, under the Lu00fd, new buildings were constructed. Letu2019s take a look at what those buildings were.

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Lu00f5i xu00e2y du1ef1ng cu00e1c cung u0111iu1ec7n trong kinh thu00e0nh Thu0103ng Long, phu00eda tru01b0u1edbc du1ef1ng u0111iu1ec7n Cu00e0n Nguyu00ean lu00e0m chu1ed7 coi chu1ea7u, bu00ean tu1ea3 lu00e0m u0111iu1ec7n Tu1eadp Hiu1ec1n, bu00ean hu1eefu du1ef1ng u0111iu1ec7n Giu1ea3ng Vu00f5. Lu1ea1i mu1edf cu1eeda Phi Long thu00f4ng vu1edbi cung Nghu00eang Xuu00e2n, cu1eeda u0110an Phu01b0u1ee3ng thu00f4ng vu1edbi cu1eeda Uy Viu1ec5n, hu01b0u1edbng chu00ednh nam du1ef1ng u0111iu1ec7n Cao Minh, u0111u1ec1u cu00f3 thu1ec1m ru1ed3ng [I donu2019t agree with the translation here. There is a footnote in the translation where they explain how they changed the meaning of the original, but there is no reason to do so.], trong thu1ec1m ru1ed3ng cu00f3 hu00e0nh lang du1eabn ra xung quanh bu1ed1n phu00eda.

Sau u0111iu1ec7n Cu00e0n Nguyu00ean du1ef1ng hai u0111iu1ec7n Long An, Long Thu1ee5y lu00e0m nu01a1i vua nghu1ec9. Bu00ean tu1ea3 xu00e2y u0111iu1ec7n Nhu1eadt Quang, bu00ean hu1eefu xu00e2y u0111iu1ec7n Nguyu1ec7t Minh, phu00eda sau du1ef1ng hai cung Thu00fay Hoa, Long Thu1ee5y lu00e0m chu1ed7 u1edf cho cung nu1eef. Du1ef1ng kho tu00e0ng, u0111u1eafp thu00e0nh, u0111u00e0o hu00e0o. Bu1ed1n mu1eb7t thu00e0nh mu1edf bu1ed1n cu1eeda: phu00eda u0111u00f4ng gu1ecdi lu00e0 cu1eeda Tu01b0u1eddng Phu00f9, phu00eda tu00e2y gu1ecdi lu00e0 cu1eeda Quu1ea3ng Phu00fac, phu00eda nam gu1ecdi lu00e0 cu1eeda u0110u1ea1i Hu01b0ng, phu00eda bu1eafc gu1ecdi lu00e0 cu1eeda Diu1ec7u u0110u1ee9c. Lu1ea1i u1edf trong thu00e0nh lu00e0m chu00f9a ngu1ef1 Hu01b0ng Thiu00ean vu00e0 tinh lu00e2u Ngu0169 Phu01b0u1ee3ng. Ngou00e0i thu00e0nh vu1ec1 phu00eda nam du1ef1ng chu00f9a Thu1eafng Nghiu00eam.

In 1010 AD, there were various u201cpalacesu201d (u0111iu1ec7n u6bbf) that were constructed. While that name sounds like a place where a monarch would live, in fact, some of these structures were the work of government.

The most important was the Palace of Great Origination (Cu00e0n Nguyu00ean u0111iu1ec7n u4e7eu5143u6bbf), a concept from the Classic of Changes (Yijing u6613u7d93) which in this context could refer to both Heaven and the emperor. According to the u0110u1ea1i Viu1ec7t su1eed ku00fd tou00e0n thu01b0, audiences with the Lu00fd emperor were held in this building.

On one side of this palace was constructed the Palace of Assembled Scholarly Worthies (Tu1eadp Hiu1ec1n u0111iu1ec7n u96c6u8ce2u6bbf), and on the other, the Palace of Martial Discussion (Giu1ea3ng Vu00f5 u0111iu1ec7n u8b1bu6b66u6bbf). Also constructed were the Flying Dragon Gate (Phi Long mu00f4n u98dbu9f8du9580), the Cinnabar Phoenix Gate (u0110an Phu01b0u1ee3ng mu00f4n u4e39u9cf3u9580), the Aweing Those Afar Gate (Uy Viu1ec5n mu00f4n u5a01u9060u9580) the Wecoming Spring Residence (Nghu00eang Xuu00e2n cung u8fceu6625u5bae) and the Palace of Wise Brilliance (Cao Minh u0111iu1ec7n u9ad9u660eu6bbf).

All of these structures were in an area called the Dragon Platform (Long Tru00ec u9f8du5880), another reference to the emperor. This appears to be where the work of governance took place. Meanwhile, the emperoru2019s private quarters were behind the Palace of Great Origination in the Palace of Dragon Peace (Long An u0111iu1ec7n u9f8du5b89u6bbf) and the Palace of Dragon Portents (Long Thu1ee5y u0111iu1ec7n u9f8du745eu6bbf), and behind those palaces were still more structures for the court ladies.

Surrounding this imperial city, a wall was constructed with the following four gates: Auspicious Sign (Tu01b0u1eddng Phu00f9 u7965u7b26), Extending Blessings (Quu1ea3ng Phu00fac u5ee3u798f), Great Prosperity (u0110u1ea1i Hu01b0ng u5927u8208), and Glorious Virtue (Diu1ec7u u0110u1ee9c u8000u5fb7).

Additionally, within the city walls was constructed a temple, Prospering Heaven Imperial Temple (Hu01b0ng Thiu00ean ngu1ef1 tu1ef1 u8208u5929u5fa1u5bfa), and a structure called the Five Phoenix Asterism Towers (Ngu0169 Phu01b0u1ee3ng Tinh Lu00e2u u4e94u9cf3u661fu6a13), while outside of the city walls the Thu1eafng Nghiu00eam Temple was constructed (Thu1eafng Nghiu00eam tu1ef1 u52ddu56b4u5bfa).

Ok, so thatu2019s a lot of names. What do they mean? What can we learn from these names?

The u0110u1ea1i Viu1ec7t su1eed ku00fd tou00e0n thu01b0 record that the Palace of Great Origination (Cu00e0n Nguyu00ean u0111iu1ec7n u4e7eu5143u6bbf) is where court audiences were held. The name of this structure is the same as the name that Tang Gaozong gave to a palace that he had constructed in 656 in Luoyang, the u201cEastern Capitalu201d of the Tang Dynasty. That palace was built on the foundation of a building that had served as the main audience hall for the emperor during the Sui Dynasty, and the new palace continued to serve that function in the early Tang period as well.

The Palace of Assembled Scholarly Worthies (Tu1eadp Hiu1ec1n u0111iu1ec7n u96c6u8ce2u6bbf) was clearly an institution modeled after the Tang Dynastyu2019s Academy of Assembled Scholarly Worthies (Jixiandian shuyuan u96c6u8ce2u6bbfu66f8u9662), a combination library and Confucian academy.

Wait, what? There was a Confucian library/academy at the center of Thu0103ng Long right next to the emperoru2019s audience hall, which was named after a key term from the Classic of Changes??

Yes, thatu2019s right. Interesting, huh?

The History of the Song mentions a Palace of Martial Discussion (Giu1ea3ng Vu00f5 u0111iu1ec7n u8b1bu6b66u6bbf) where not only were military exercises carried out, but exams as well.

The Cinnabar Phoenix Gate (u0110an Phu01b0u1ee3ng mu00f4n u4e39u9cf3u9580) was the name of a gate in front of the emperoru2019s residence in the Tang Dynasty capital of Changu2019an. There are a few entries in the History of the Tang where we can see that the emperor declared a great amnesty at this gate after performing the Nanjiao sacrifice to Heaven and Earth.

The Five Phoenix Asterism Towers (Ngu0169 Phu01b0u1ee3ng Tinh Lu00e2u u4e94u9cf3u661fu6a13) must clearly have been related to, or inspired by, the Five Phoenix Towers (Wufeng lou u4e94u9cf3u6a13) in Luoyang during the Sui and Tang periods.

Iu2019m sure that if we dig deeper, we can find still more connections.

All of these names literally scream u201cCONFUCIANISMu201d!!! Or what we could perhaps more accurately label u201cimperial Confucianismu201d that is, the Confucian ideas that supported the emperor and the empire.

Virtually every one of the above names makes reference to something in the imperial Confucian tradition, from Heaven, to moral virtue (u0111u1ee9c u5fb7), to dragons and phoenixes.

Further, this extends beyond the construction of these buildings. At this same time, Cu1ed5 Phu00e1p u53e4u6cd5 Prefecture became Heavenly Virtue (Thiu00ean u0110u1ee9c u5929u5fb7) Prefecture. Hoa Lu01b0 u83efu95ad Citadel became Eternal Peace (u9577u5b89 Tru01b0u1eddng Yu00ean) Citadel. In Chinese, this is pronounced u201cChangu2019anu201d and was the capital of such prominent dynasties as the Han and Tang. Finally, the North River (Bu1eafc Giang u5317u6c5f) became the Heavenly Virtue River.

The reign name that the first Lu00fd emperor took for himself was Obediently Following Heaven (Thuu1eadn Thiu00ean u9806u5929), while his successor chose Heavenly Completion (Thiu00ean Thu00e0nh u5929u6210).

So, if this was a u201cprimarily Buddhistu201d dynasty, then where was the u201cDharma Palaceu201d (Phu1eadt Phu00e1p u0111iu1ec7n u4f5bu6cd5u6bbf)? And where was the u201cPrajna Gateu201d (Bu00e1t Nhu00e3 mu00f4n u822cu82e5u9580)? And how come the Palace of Assembled Scholarly Worthies wasnu2019t called the u201cPalace of Assembled Eminent Monksu201d (Tu1eadp Tu0103ng u0111iu1ec7n u96c6u50e7u6bbf)??

Yes, as I will discuss later, the Lu00fd Dynasty did offer patronage to Buddhists (as we can find Chinese emperors during the Tang and Song periods doing as well), but the buildings and gates constructed in Thu0103ng Long in 1010 AD were 1,000,000% within the imperial Confucian tradition of East Asia.

Indeed, while it is well known that the Japanese constructed Nara in the model of the Tang Dynasty capital of Changu2019an (and that doesnu2019t bother anyone), for some reason historians have decided to ignore all of the clear connections between Thu0103ng Long and the imperial cities of the Sui-Song Dynasties, as well as the imperial Confucian ideas that gave legitimacy to those cities.

Why is that?

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Hung Ky Nguyen
Hung Ky Nguyen
2 years ago

Dear Dr Kelley,
Wow! It looks as if I am the first person to comment on your article! I hope that with my review, more constructive comments would follow.
As usual, I appreciate your critical views on major works of Vietnam’s history. I trust that open-minded Vietnamese social science researchers and historians would be inspired by this approach.
Nonetheless, I am not convinced with the evidence put forward in your argument specifically when you disregarded how Confucianism has evolved, adapted to social changes, and how Chu Hsi (I use the Wade-Giles system for all Chinese names in this post) assimilated the philosophy and spirituality of Buddhism and Taoism into his Neo-Confucianism in the 12th century. Since then, the “Confucianism” as we know it today is a mixture of traditional Confucianism, Taoist mysticism, and Mahayana Buddhism (yet, both Taoism and Chinese Buddhism had also gone through a similar cultural assimilation process). Thus, your claim that it was the imperial Confucian ideas that gave legitimacy to the ancient cities of China (Chang’an), Japan (Nara), Vietnam (Thăng Long), and Korea (Chandeokgung ) deserves to be scrutinized. In the following comments, I examine some unsupported claims in your article.
First, there is no evidence that the Classic of Changes (I Ching 易經) is the work of Confucius (551–479 BCE). By contrast, Confucius himself seemed to be deliberately avoided speaking of strange doctrines. Chapter 2 (:16) of the Analects states, “The Master said, To delve into strange doctrines can bring only harm” (see The Analects of Confucius / Columbia University Press / translated by Burton Watson [2007]).
Second, probably because of its metaphysics instead of ethical nature, the Classic of Changes was only mentioned in one of the later versions of the Analects (Watson [2007], Introduction, p.2). Meanwhile, it is feasible that under influenced by the Taoist doctrines, Confucian theorists ascribed this classic to Confucius in the 2nd century BC (Britannica).
Third, in his notable work, “A History of Chinese Philosophy” (first publication in 1931), the noted Chinese philosopher and historian Fung Yu-lan remarks that because the original corpus of this classic is comprised of eight triagrams, each consisting of three broken or unbroken lines, it is sensible to presume that the I Ching existed before the birth of Confucianism probably sometimes in the Western Chou dynasty (1046-771 BCE), as the yarrow-stalk method was widely used by divination practitioners in this period. For this reason, the thought that the I Ching was derived from Confucius is unjustifiable (Princeton [1983, p.379]).
Fourth, Chang’an was originally constructed around 1600 BCE, many centuries before the time of Confucius. Since then, it had been modified, expanded, and chosen as the capital cities of Han, Sui, and Tang. During this long period, Chang’an had been planned, built, and renovated to demonstrate the wealth, and fulfil specific needs and desires, of its rulers. The assumption that Chang’an of Tang is the typical model of imperial Confucian ideas is unjustified, as no state-sponsored Confucius temple was built during this dynasty since Emperor Taizong of Tang (598-649) decreed in 630 that every provincial and county school should build a Confucian temple. Additionally, contrary to your claim, Xie, Shen, and Chen (2023) in their article titled “A Growing System: Constituent Elements and Spatial Evolution of Ancient Local Confucian Temples in China” (Frontiers of Architectural Research, Vol. 12, Issue 5, October 2023) indicated, “… as a typical form of ritual architecture, the establishment system of Confucian temples was always influenced by the feudal regime or official purport” (pp. 966-967).
From the above-mentioned evidence, I strongly believe that because the I Ching had existed long before the birth of Confucianism, numerous names of buildings including the Palace of Great Origination (Càn Nguyên điện 乾元殿) of Chang’an and Thăng Long should have been inspired by Taoist cosmology instead of the imperial Confucian ideas.
Lastly, I would like to comment more on other areas of your articles in my next post if you are keen and consider my post as a peer review.
Sincerely yours,
Hung Ky Nguyen